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Lessons Learned From Loving Birds

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An ornithologist and poet with a lifelong passion for birds explains what these creatures can teach us about wildness, joy and belonging.

J. Drew Lanham’s life has been defined by birds. He grew up in rural South Carolina learning mystical stories about birds from his grandmother, emulating bird calls and even trying to fly. This love sparked Drew’s academic and creative careers — in ornithology and writing— that center nature and winged creatures.

Host Anita Rao talks to Drew about why he fell so deeply for birds and how he has sustained that love despite the challenges he's faced as a Black man and a conservationist.

J. Drew Lanham is an ornithologist, poet and the author of “The Home Place: Memoirs of a Colored Man’s Love Affair with Nature.” His latest poetry collection is “Joy is the Justice We Give Ourselves.”

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Kaia Findlay is the lead producer of Embodied, WUNC's weekly podcast and radio show about sex, relationships and health. Kaia first joined the WUNC team in 2020 as a producer for The State of Things.
Anita Rao is an award-winning journalist, host, creator, and executive editor of "Embodied," a weekly radio show and podcast about sex, relationships & health.
Amanda Magnus is the executive producer of Embodied, a weekly radio show and podcast about sex, relationships and health. She has also worked on other WUNC shows including Tested and CREEP.