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Due South

A deep dive into Project 2025 with NC author and The Atlantic writer David Graham

By Jeff Tiberii,

Published September 2, 2025 at 12:00 PM EDT

It's been more than seven months since President Trump was sworn into office for his second term, but efforts to deconstruct the administrative state were in motion long before his January inauguration. There is a framework by which the President, his advisers, and other conservatives have pursued this remaking of many government norms.

Durham-based writer David A. Graham is author of the book The Project: How Project 2025 Is Reshaping America. Today, an encore edition of Graham’s April conversation with Due South's Jeff Tiberii about Project 2025, plus an update with Graham on how the blueprint has continued to make change across the country this summer. Parts of this interview originally aired April 29, 2025.

David Graham, staff writer for The Atlantic; author of The Project: How Project 2025 Is Reshaping America

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Jeff Tiberii

Jeff Tiberii is the co-host of WUNC's "Due South." Jeff joined WUNC in 2011. During his 20 years in public radio, he was Morning Edition Host at WFDD and WUNC’s Greensboro Bureau Chief and later, the Capitol Bureau Chief. Jeff has covered state and federal politics, produced the radio documentary “Right Turn,” launched a podcast, and was named North Carolina Radio Reporter of the Year four times.

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Rachel McCarthy

Rachel McCarthy is a producer for "Due South." She previously worked at WUNC as a producer for "The Story with Dick Gordon." More recently, Rachel was podcast managing editor at Capitol Broadcasting Company where she developed narrative series and edited a daily podcast. She also worked at "The Double Shift" podcast as supervising producer. Rachel learned about audio storytelling at the Salt Institute for Documentary Studies. Prior to working in audio journalism, she was a research assistant at the Aspen Institute in Washington, DC.

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