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Bill and Hillary

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How much influence does a first lady have on the president? According to historian William Chafe, in the case of Bill and Hillary Clinton the answer is: an incalculable amount. In his new book, "Bill and Hillary: The Politics of the Personal" (Farrar, Straus and Giroux/2012), Chafe argues that the Clinton union was so intimate and intricate that it's impossible to parse out exactly how their marriage influenced their decisions as policy makers. But Chafe has a lot of fun trying. Duke University history professor William Chafe joins host Frank Stasio today to dig into the Clinton's unique marriage.

Longtime NPR correspondent Frank Stasio was named permanent host of The State of Things in June 2006. A native of Buffalo, Frank has been in radio since the age of 19. He began his public radio career at WOI in Ames, Iowa, where he was a magazine show anchor and the station's News Director.