Russia Denies Allegations It Paid Militants To Kill U.S. Troops As 'Nonsense'

Jul 8, 2020
Originally published on July 9, 2020 11:29 am

"Fake." "Nonsense." "Lies."

The Kremlin reacted the same way the White House did to news reports that U.S. intelligence had allegedly found Russia offered bounties on American troops in Afghanistan.

The Russian Foreign Ministry said the initial story in The New York Times demonstrated the "low intellectual abilities of U.S. intelligence propagandists." President Vladimir Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, called subsequent reports "hoaxes" that damage the reputation of the media that publish them.

Russian officials spend a lot of time refuting allegations of malfeasance, from the poisoning of a former Russian spy in England to election interference in the United States. That Russian military intelligence may have paid bounties for killing U.S. and allied troops in Afghanistan appears to be just the latest accusation Moscow has categorically denied.

"Of course, they're going to deny. They're in the unfortunate position of having cried wolf so often that it becomes hard to know quite what to believe," said Mark Galeotti, a senior associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute in London. "There is a sense of 'How stupid do you think we are?' "

Galeotti, an expert on Russia's security services, said a bounty program on U.S. soldiers would not only be foolhardy but would constitute a "massive escalation" in Moscow's testy relations with Washington.

Frants Klintsevich, a member of the Russian upper house's defense and security committee, called the allegations "complete stupidity."

"What would we get out of this? Who can give me a clear explanation?" Klintsevich said in an interview. "What do we get if the Taliban kill two or three American soldiers? The Russian intelligence services have neither a political nor an economic nor a military interest in it."

Klintsevich, a member of the ruling United Russia party, said the reports of the bounties are more about a domestic political struggle in the U.S. where Russia is being used as a "bogeyman" to hurt President Trump's reelection chances.

Klintsevich served as a captain in the Soviet army's disastrous nine-year war in Afghanistan and heads an influential veterans' organization. He recalled how the U.S. financed and armed Afghan guerrillas known as the mujahedeen, who fought successfully against Soviet forces. But Klintsevich said the United States went into Afghanistan in 2001 for the right reason: to fight the Taliban.

In the months after the Sept. 11 attacks, Putin — in his second year as Russia's president — tried to use a common front against terrorism as a way of deepening relations with the United States.

As President George W. Bush began bombing Afghanistan, Putin said Russia was ready, if necessary, to assist in search and rescue operations of U.S. military personnel. During a presidential summit in November 2001, Putin spoke at Rice University in Texas, saying he agreed with Bush that terrorists needed to be hunted down in Afghanistan.

The Soviet Union's stinging withdrawal from Afghanistan had taken place a little more than a decade earlier, and Russia still had a lot of expertise to share.

Lawmaker Klintsevich said he helped organize meetings between Russian veterans and U.S. officials.

"I myself took part and talked about my feelings, experience and knowledge with your specialists," he said. Klintsevich says he warned the Americans that invaders as far back as Alexander the Great had struggled to dominate Afghanistan.

Even as U.S. and Russian interests converged in Afghanistan, bilateral relations began to deteriorate over disagreements in other parts of the world. Putin was vehemently against Bush's war in Iraq and the continuing enlargement of NATO, while the U.S. was opposed to Russia's subsequent military interventions in Georgia, Ukraine and Syria.

When it lambasted the reports on bounties on American troops, the Russian Foreign Ministry said that U.S. intelligence may have leaked the story to scuttle efforts by Russian and U.S. diplomats to facilitate the peace process between Taliban fighters and the Afghan government. The ministry also accused U.S. intelligence of drug trafficking in Afghanistan.

Though Russia has banned the Taliban as a terrorist organization, leaders of the group have traveled to Moscow for talks hosted by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

Many Russians who fought in Afghanistan consider the Taliban the descendants of the U.S.-backed mujahedeen. But lingering resentment from those times is unlikely to have motivated Russia to pay bounties on U.S. troops, said Galeotti, who authored a book on the Soviet war in Afghanistan.

While Russia is still deeply involved there, he said, paying bounties to Taliban-linked fighters carries a political price that's too high to bear.

Galeotti also discounted the possibility of a rogue element within Russian military intelligence.

"That guy is not going to be able to get signoff on large transfers of money without convincing lots of other people," he said. "The Russian security apparatus does not just simply hand out money willy-nilly. They're just like every other government bureaucracy."

Russian lawmaker Klintsevich said he has no hard feeling toward the Americans.

"It seems to me the U.S. military is doing the right thing by fighting terrorists, and that's important for the world," he said. "That's why I'm on the side of the American soldier who has gone into combat on the orders of his government."

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When The New York Times reported that Russia had offered bounties on American troops in Afghanistan, the Kremlin denied these allegations. As NPR's Lucian Kim reports from Moscow, the Russian establishment wants to portray the claims as a U.S. political dispute.

LUCIAN KIM, BYLINE: Russian officials spend a lot of time denying accusations of Russian malfeasance, be it the poisoning of a former Russian spy in England or election interference in the United States. So when American media started citing U.S. intelligence officials that Russian operatives offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants, the denials sounded pretty standard.

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DMITRY PESKOV: (Non-English language spoken).

KIM: Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said it's regrettable that big name media are publishing hoaxes and lies that only damage their own reputation.

MARK GALEOTTI: Of course they're going to deny it. They're in the unfortunate position of having cried wolf so often, it becomes hard to know quite what to believe.

KIM: Mark Galeotti is an expert on Russia's security services with the Royal United Services Institute in London.

GALEOTTI: They don't mind being accused of being bad people. They do mind being accused of being fools. And there is a sense that, you know, how stupid do you think we are?

KIM: Galeotti says bounties would be a massive escalation in already bad relations between the U.S. and Russia that would not justify the political cost. That's also what Russian lawmaker Frants Klintsevich thinks. He calls the allegations completely stupid.

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FRANTS KLINTSEVICH: (Non-English language spoken).

KIM: "What would we get out of this," he asks? "What would Russia get if the Taliban killed two or three American soldiers?" Klintsevich says the reports about bounties are more about a domestic political struggle inside the U.S., where Russia is being used as a boogeyman. Klintsevich served as a captain in the Soviet army's disastrous war in the 1980s against U.S.-backed guerrillas called the Mujahedeen.

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KLINTSEVICH: (Non-English language spoken).

KIM: But Klintsevich says that didn't stop him and other Russian veterans from advising the Americans as they got ready to invade Afghanistan in 2001. The American war in Afghanistan, now twice as long as the Soviet's war, started less than a month after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

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GEORGE W BUSH: Good afternoon. On my orders, the United States military has begun strikes against the al-Qaida terrorist training camps and military installations of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.

KIM: President George W. Bush was new in office. And he found a willing partner in Vladimir Putin, then in his second year as Russia's president. Putin tried to use a common front against terrorists as a way of deepening relations with the United States.

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PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN: (Non-English language spoken).

KIM: During a visit to Texas after 9/11, he agreed with Bush that terrorists should be hunted down in Afghanistan. Since then, U.S.-Russian relations have been in a downward spiral. But even so Mark Galeotti says it's unlikely things are so bad that Russians would have paid bounties on American troops in Afghanistan. He also discounts a rogue element within the Russian ranks.

GALEOTTI: That guy is not going to be able to get sign-off on large transfers of money without convincing lots of other people. The Russian security apparatus does not just simply hand out money willy-nilly. They're just like every other government bureaucracy.

KIM: As for Russian veteran Frants Klintsevich, he says he harbors no ill will toward the Americans in Afghanistan.

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KLINTSEVICH: (Non-English language spoken).

KIM: He says, "the US military is doing the right thing by fighting terrorists." And that's why he's on the side of the American soldier in Afghanistan.

Lucian Kim, NPR News, Moscow.

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